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Ben Simpson runs Thistlebank, a 22,800 hectare cattle property near Aramac in Central Queensland that has been in his family for five generations. He came to the property from a very different life as a fitter and turner on the Gold Coast and has run it since 2010, joined by his wife Kim in 2014.

A hard drought in the late 2010s meant more money was going out the door than coming in, so Ben went looking for a different approach. In 2022 he did the KLR Marketing and RCS Grazing for Profit courses, followed by RCS’s Next Steps coaching and Executive Link programs. Since then, Ben and Kim have moved from set stocking to cell and rotational grazing. Their minimum ground cover has gone from around 40% to 60% or more, and their benchmark carrying capacity has risen from around 6 to 15–20 stock days per hectare per 100 mm of rain. They now rank in the top 20% of RCS’s profitability benchmarks. Ben has also started working with RCS as a coach and adviser.

In this episode, we talk about:
How Ben went from the Gold Coast to running Thistlebank, and what made him stay
Why financial pressure during drought led him to seek out training, starting with marketing and business skills
Starting small and scaling up, from 16 or 17 mobs down to four mobs of 700 to 1,200 head
Running intensive cell grazing on 6,000 hectares and a slower rotation across the rest of the property, working with flooding, access and labour constraints
Planning grazing 12 to 18 months ahead with feed budgets, so that small adjustments made early avoid forced sales later
Shifting from breeders to trading cattle to match stocking rate to carrying capacity, and to suit the people running the place day to day
How goats fit into the system, and the paradigm shift of seeing grass grow back under timber
Why coaching, peer support and a written vision have been central to the change


Ben features as a case study farmer in our Practice Guide: Grazing for Soil and Landscape Regeneration. 

Soils for Life Practice Guide: Grazing for Soil and Landscape Regeneration:⁠ https://soilsforlife.org.au/practice-guide-grazing-soil-landscape-regeneration/⁠
Webinar with Ben Simpson and Dave McLean: ⁠https://events.humanitix.com/grazing-for-soil-and-landscape-health-field-day-thistlebank⁠ 
RCS:⁠ https://www.rcsaustralia.com.au/⁠
RCS Grazing for Profit:⁠ https://www.rcsaustralia.com.au/farming-grazing-for-profit-programs/⁠
RCS tools, including FarmEye:⁠ https://www.rcsaustralia.com.au/tools/⁠
KLR Marketing:⁠ https://klrmarketing.com.au/⁠
The Long Paddock (Queensland Government ground cover and climate data):⁠ https://www.longpaddock.qld.gov.au/⁠
CarbonLink:⁠ https://www.carbonlink.com.au/⁠


More from our grazing series
From feeding animals to feeding biology, with David and Ruth Read:⁠ https://open.spotify.com/episode/21dVEksiDbbDDQTWLrZxGT⁠
Regenerative grazing and the key insights of Holistic Management, with Brian Wehlburg:⁠ https://open.spotify.com/episode/7bWGHbRB332rYcw9bLwt90⁠


This episode was hosted by Eli Court, produced by Jen Sheridan and edited by Chris Wieffering.

We’d love to hear your feedback, questions or ideas for future guests. Get in touch on social media or at info@soilsforlife.org.au. Grazing profitably in the harsh beauty of the Central Queensland downs, with Ben Simpson

Grazing profitably in the harsh beauty of the Central Queensland downs, with Ben Simpson

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Today’s guest Frank Ashwood is a soil scientist with a side passion for macrophotography - photographing the incredible creatures and organisms living in the soil. He has an academic background in biology and land restoration to woodland. He mostly studies the biological diversity and associated functions of forest soils, but three years ago Soils for Life brought Frank Ashwood to Australia to turn his camera to the life in the soil on farms across six regions. The photographs were astounding, and a number of them have now been included in his new book: The World Beneath our Feet: The Hidden Life of Soil and Why It Matters to Us All. 

In today’s chat, we discuss some of the incredible creatures that live in the soil, diving into how each layer of soil differs, and some of the experiences and observations on farms around Australia. 

Links and resources:

The World Beneath our Feet: The Hidden Life of Soil and Why It Matters to Us All, by Frank Ashwood https://www.frankashwood.com/twbof 

Frank Ashwood book launch at Fat Pig Farm on 10 October: https://zfszi4-wi.myshopify.com/products/frank-ashwood-book-launch?variant=50520122654964 

A recap of Frank’s work with Soils for Life, visiting and photographing Australian farms: https://soilsforlife.org.au/frank-ashwood-soil-life-up-close/ 

We hope you enjoy this conversation as much as we did. If you have feedback, questions, or suggestions for future episodes or guests, we'd love to hear from you - reach out on social media or at info@soilsforlife.org.au. The World Beneath our Feet, with macrophotographer and soil ecologist Frank Ashwood

The World Beneath our Feet, with macrophotographer and soil ecologist Frank Ashwood

SoilsForLife 273 views October 7, 2026 12:01 pm

Monitoring to build farm profitability and resilience, with Jake Ryan

SoilsForLife 291 views September 30, 2026 10:56 am

Courtney Young farms organic grain with her husband Ian in Rutherglen, Victoria, and is also Soils for Life's Farmer Learning Manager. In this episode, she talks with Eli about building a farming life from scratch, growing healthy soil and grain, and turning wheat into a value-added business.

In this episode
How Courtney's path into farming began, from her dad's oyster farming on the NSW South Coast, through a disillusioning stint in conservation, to discovering regenerative agriculture

The economics of getting into farming today, and how Courtney and Ian navigated the challenge of accessing land

Building soil and crop health on their 100-acre property and the family's 2,000-acre organic farm at Berrigan, including intercropping wheat with clover and improving grazing management

The decision to start milling their own flour, turning a commodity crop into a paddock-to-plate product with a loyal following among Melbourne bakers

How Courtney and Ian test new ideas cheaply and quickly, and "fail fast" rather than risk the whole business
Soils for Life's new Cropping Communities program, an eight-location, on-farm and online initiative helping grain growers and mixed farmers interpret soil and plant health data and turn it into action plans

Find out more
If you're interested in the upcoming Cropping Communities training program for growers and cropping advisors, head to soilsforlife.org.au/cropping-communities/

Get in touch
If you have any feedback or questions about this podcast, or suggestions of topics or people you’d like us to include in future episodes, please ⁠reach out⁠ on social media or via info@soilsforlife.org.au. Figuring out regenerative grain in the paddock and beyond, with Courtney Young

Figuring out regenerative grain in the paddock and beyond, with Courtney Young

SoilsForLife 132 views September 28, 2026 5:11 pm

Monitoring your soil health, building your confidence - with Dr Jessica Rigg

SoilsForLife 287 views September 15, 2026 2:49 pm

About this episode

World Fungus Day is in October and to mark the occasion we spoke with two mycologists - fungi experts - Dr Sapphire McMullan-Fisher and Julie Fielder about this amazing and mostly hidden lifeform.

Sapphire is a lecturer in plant and fungal Ecology at the University of New England and Julie runs consultancy Phytos Environmental in WA, and both are involved with Fungimap, one of Australia’s longest running citizen science organisations. They’ve both also been involved in the recently published book Fungi for Land: A practical guide for land managers, which draws on the work of more than 25 Australian scientists to explain what fungi do in the landscape and how to manage land in ways that support them.

In this conversation we delve into the weird and wonderful world of fungi, from their ancient beginnings almost 400 million years ago as partners to plants, to their incredible and bizarre present day forms. And we discuss how healthy and diverse fungal ecosystems are so deeply interconnected with, and essential for, healthy and resilient soils, plants and people.

Mentioned in this episode

Fungi for Land: A practical guide for land managers - https://fungi4land.com/  
Fun Fungi Ecology - https://www.funfungiecology.com/ 
Fungimap - https://fungimap.org.au/ 
iNaturalist - https://www.inaturalist.org/ 
PhD on metarhizium - https://eprints.qut.edu.au/117674/ 

If you have any feedback

If you have any feedback or questions about this podcast, or suggestions of topics or people you’d like us to include in future episodes, please ⁠reach out⁠ on social media or via info@soilsforlife.org.au. The network underpinning it all: Fungi with Dr Sapphire McMullan-Fisher and Julie Fielder

The network underpinning it all: Fungi with Dr Sapphire McMullan-Fisher and Julie Fielder

SoilsForLife 360 views September 10, 2026 12:23 pm

About the podcast
David and Ruth Read own and manage Woodcote, a 470 hectare beef cattle trading farm located in East Gippsland, Victoria. 
In this episode, we talk about:
How the Millennium Drought sounded a wake-up call for their farm
The changes they have made since that time including moving towards higher density grazing, establishment of fencing and water infrastructure to support that
Shifting to a primarily trading enterprise and refocusing from feeding animals to feeding biology. 

Ruth and David also share their enthusiasm for learning and adapting, and share a wealth of resources for people to tap into as they make their own farm learning journey.
David and Ruth featured as case study farmers in Soils for Life’s recently released Practice Guide: Grazing for Soil and Landscape Regeneration. They are also hosting the third of our national series of field days launching the guide. If you’re interested to see their work in action, and hear more about their farming practices - alongside grazing educator Brian Wehlburg - join us on September 15 for a day of on-farm learning.

If you’re unable to attend that event in-person, we’ll also be running an online webinar on September the 2nd with Rod and Katrina Butler, another of the farming families featured in the grazing guide.

Resources, links and events from the episode
Soils for Life Practice Guide: Grazing for Soil and Landscape Regeneration: ⁠https://soilsforlife.org.au/practice-guide-grazing-soil-landscape-regeneration/⁠ 
Grazing field day: Strategies to build soil and landscape health, 15 September: ⁠https://events.humanitix.com/grazing-for-soil-and-landscape-health-field-day⁠ 
Grazing Webinar: Getting started with grazing for soil and landscape health: ⁠https://events.humanitix.com/grazing-for-soil-and-landscape-health-with-rod-and-katrina-butler⁠
Woodcote Pty Ltd: ⁠https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100057240318507⁠Soils for Life’s interview with Grant Williams:⁠⁠https://open.spotify.com/episode/4yQTkVCoaAXNnwPuROxSib?si=rPR1lf6-QkqI_xu3pdL3RQ⁠⁠ 

Education providers
RCS Grazing For Profit course: ⁠https://www.rcsaustralia.com.au/farming-grazing-for-profit-programs/⁠ 
Graeme Hand: ⁠https://www.handfortheland.com/⁠ 
Dick Richardson: ⁠https://www.naturesequity.com.au/⁠ 
Jim Elizondo: ⁠https://www.rwranching.com/⁠ 
KLR Marketing: ⁠https://klrmarketing.com.au/⁠
Joel Williams: ⁠https://integratedsoils.com/⁠ 

If you have any feedback
If you have any feedback or questions about this podcast, or suggestions of topics or people you’d like us to include in future episodes, please ⁠reach out⁠ on social media or via info@soilsforlife.org.au. From feeding animals to feeding biology: Learning to graze differently with David and Ruth Read

From feeding animals to feeding biology: Learning to graze differently with David and Ruth Read

SoilsForLife 335 views August 27, 2026 5:25 pm

Hugh and Katie Finlay manage a 30 hectare farm in Central Victoria, including a commercial stone fruit orchard and fruit tree nursery. The farm also includes a range of small enterprises run by others under the banner of the Harcourt Farming Co-op, including a dairy, market garden, and bush foods plot.

Since 2013, Hugh and Katie also have been educating others in how to grow organic and regenerative fruit through their business, Grow Great Fruit. Perennial horticulture is a fairly new area for me, but this conversation reveals some very familiar themes.

Hugh and Katie focus on the soil above all else, and have seen how taking care of soil biology by adding organic matter, fostering plant diversity, and elimination of all synthetic inputs supports healthy trees that are resilient to pests and disease and require little in the way of pest and disease management.

While many of their strategies are applicable at much larger scale than their now downsized operation, Hugh and Katie are also passionate about the value of smaller scale ... about the value of smaller scale enterprises to not only support resilient agricultural businesses, but also connected and thriving regional communities.

Please enjoy this conversation with Hugh and Katie Finlay. And if you're an orchardist yourself or interested in perennial horticulture, don't forget to check out our website for all the resources and events that we're rolling out through our Orchard Resilience project

Links and resources
Grow Great Fruit - https://growgreatfruit.com/
Harcourt Organic Farming Co-op - https://hofcoop.com.au/about/
YIMBY Compost - https://www.yimbycompost.com/ Feeding the soil first: Katie & Hugh Finlay on diversity at every level

Feeding the soil first: Katie & Hugh Finlay on diversity at every level

SoilsForLife 257 views August 13, 2026 12:57 pm